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R I D G E $ OAR D O F A D J II S T M E N T
MururES OF M88TING
May 23, 1996
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Tom Abbott
Bill Echelmeyer
Paul Hovland
Bob Howard
Susan Junker
Linda Mauro
Jerry Sang (interim)
Robert Walker
None
STAFF PRESENT: Glen Gidley, Director of
Planning and Development
Sean McCartney, Planner
Susan Sllis, Code Enforcement
Mary Lou Chapla, Secretary
PIIBLIC SEARING
1. CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER: The meeting was called to order
by Chairman WALKER at 7:34 P.M. on May 23, 1996, in the
Council Chambers of the Municipal Building, 7500 West 29th
Avenue, Wheat Ridge, Colorado.
ROLL CALL: MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
The following is the official set of Board of Adjustment minutes
for the Public Hearing of May 23, 1996. A set of these minutes
is retained both in the office of the City Clerk and in the
Department of Planning and Development of the City of Wheat
Ridge.
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WHEAT RIDGE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
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2. APPROVE THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA
Motion was made Board Member ABBOTT, seconded by Board
Member SANG, to approve the order of the agenda as amended
to continue Case No. WA-96-10 to the July meeting. Motion
carried.
3. PIISLIC FORIIbi (This is the time for anyone to speak on any
subject not appearing on the agenda.)
No one came forward to speak.
4. PIIBLIC HEARING
A. Case No_ TL7P-9H-3: An application by Lucile Knowlton for
approval of a Temporary IIse Permit to allow a camper as a
second bedroom on property zoned Agricultural-One and
located at 4471 Kipling Street.
Susan Ellis presented the staff report. All pertinent
documents were entered into record, which Chairman WALKER
accepted.
• Board Member HOWARD wanted to know when the pictures were
taken, and Ms. Ellis answered this morning. The property
has been cleaned up since last year's meeting. The
applicant has removed a couple of the campers and a
motorhome and brought in a different camping trailer.
Board Member HOWARD wanted to know if the triangle on the
drawing is the property that has recently been rezoned to
residential, and Ms. Ellis replied yes. Board Member HOWARD
suggested that the description of the property as
surrounding zoning as A-1 should also include R2-A to the
south.
Board Member ABBOTT said in the staff report it recommends
that staff wants setbacks, so does it meet setbacks where it
sits now, and Ms. Ellis said yes it could set right where it
is.
Board Member ABBOTT questioned the letter from Ptarmigan
Condominiums saying it is not on letterhead and it is not
signed, is that just our copy, and Ms. Ellis said it was
written by the head of the homeowner's association and after
their meeting two weeks ago they presented the letter to her
via fax. Board Member ABBOTT asked if she believed there is
• some validity to this unsigned, non-letterhead letter and
Ms. Ellis answered yes. She talked to two home association
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members and two residents of the property last week and it
is a concern to them.
Board Member ECHELMEYER asked was this a request by the
owner of the property or was the City looking at the
property in the preceding couple of weeks. Ms. Ellis said
this is a request by the owner who was denied the same
request a year ago and there was not an appeal made within
30 days, so she had to wait another year to re-apply.
No further questions were asked of staff.
The applicant, Lucile Knowlton, 4471 Kipling Street, was
sworn in. Ms. Knowlton reminded the board that her husband
has Alzheimer's Disease. They did get the addition built so
she could keep him at home as he is not too bad now, but
Alzheimer's is very unpredictable.
She sold the motorhome and bought the camper because it is
self-contained and the party who is helping her will live in
it. She needs somebody to help her also take care of the
property because she does not want to have to sell. She
• wants to be able to have this camper there as a bedroom.
For quite a few years her motorhome was used just as a
sleeper for relatives who came to visit. There were people
living with her but they moved the first of the year. She
now has someone who will stay there and will be there most
of the time. There has been several times in the last few.
months that she was in a bad situation because she cannot
leave her husband alone. She is putting in a pretty good
sized garden now and will need someone to help her with that
and with the weed problem also.
Ms. Knowlton is an artist and has her own home
studio/gallery. She would like to stay doing what she loves
to do with her husband there and she could be there most of
the time to watch him. The camper is there for the party to
be in and to take care of the yard. Mrs. Knowlton feels
this request. will not hurt anyone physically, spiritually,
mentally, or financially. She said the owner of the rezoned
property to the south could not be there tonight, but told
the applicant it was fine with him. The Camelot apartments
said it was fine because they would rather have someone
there. She talked to someone at the condominiums to the
west and one lady has no objections. Mrs. Knowlton added
the Camelot apartments have a lot of domestic problems. She
said she is a Christian and so are the people that live with
. her now, they believe in Biblical laws and thinks that is
very important to keep it that way. She prays that the
Board sees the benefit and reason why she has to have help
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by someone living on her property. She does not want to put
her husband in a nursing home, this way she can keep him at
home and still have help. The doctor now is working on a
situation where she might get a visiting nurse to come in
once in a while, however at this point, she needs help right
now.
Board Member ABBOTT asked did t]
someone else living with her in
said she does have a party that
rented the bedroom so she could
She said again, the camper will
there most of the time.
ze applicant say there was
the house, and Mrs. Knowlton
lives there now, but just
have a little more income.
be used for someone to be
Board Member ABBOTT asked if the person renting out the
bedroom helps her at all with the outside chores, and Mrs.
Knowlton answered no.
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Board Member ABBOTT wanted to know what will they do about
the restroom facilities for the camper, and Mrs. Knowlton
replied he uses her bathroom when he is there. He does not
cook in the trailer as she does the cooking and he eats with
her.
Board Member ECHELMEYER questioned how long has the camping
trailer been there, and Mrs. Knowlton said about 2-3 months.
No one is living in it now.
Board Member ECHELMEYER asked if the people of the
apartments to the north have expressed to her no problem,
and was that the manager, and Mrs. Knowlton said no he is a
resident.
Board Member MAURO said she does not know much about
something being self-contained, but doesn't the power source
have to come from an electrical supply, and Mrs. Knowlton
said when her helper gets up to speak he can explain about
the generator.
No further questions were asked of the applicant.
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Doren Volzke, was sworn in. He explained he was a long term
resident of Lakewood and Wheat Ridge and attended the Wheat
Ridge schools, his family are also long term residents. He
currently lives with his mother and to the west of them is
the president of 1st Bank, and to the east is former Senator
Joseph Shefflin and both of them could vouch for his
character. The main purpose for me being there is to help
with the property, the applicant is in her late 70's and her
husband does have Alzheimer's and she cannot physically
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manage the property as it needs to be done. Her property is
over an acre and sets back from the road over 100 feet.
The statistics on crime in the area show that the apartments
next door are not considered the best in Wheat Ridge, the
applicant was a victim of arson several months ago and a lot
of her belongings were burned up. There is some danger
there and Mr. Volzke feels that his presence-on the property
would be an added measure of security. Being there would
not be a physical unattractiveness.
The camper is a 20' long Red-Dale and is self-contained and
does have a bathroom, kitchen facility and does have the
ability to have lights. None of that is hooked up. Mr.
Volzke purchased the camper in late November and it has not
been hooked up, nor has not lived there.
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Mr. Volzke said after the fire damage, there was no way she
could clean up. They had many dumpsters hauled out of there
and he himself hauled pick-up loads of debris from the area.
Mrs. Knowlton is a very giving merciful person and people
have dragged things onto the property and have also taken
things from her. He has known the Knowltons for about 15
years and it is not as though the relationship has come
along suddenly. He does have the white van and the pick-up
there, the latter being for sale. He is a quiet person,
does not party or like loud music and considers himself a
good neighbor. People have actually come over and told him
how nice the property looks now.
Mr. Volzke is a full time student at Metro and trying to get
his degree in English so-he can teach. He works full time
for the Rocky Mountain News as a district manager. He works
in the Golden area and is in this general vicinity all of
the time and come and go at will. His schedule is very
flexible and he can be there at any time in a matter of 10
minutes if there were any problems.
Mr. Volzke does not understand the letter from the
condominiums behind them because the camper is not in sight
of them in any way. With the proximity of the trailer he
can not see any problem, and if there is a dispute then why
are they not there tonight or at least sign their name to
the letter. He talked on unsightliness in the area and
feels the trailer is in good condition and welcomes anyone
from the zoning department to come and take a look at it.
Again, Mr. Volzke said he does not live there. He has been
• there for lunch and dinner and because he lives close right
now. He wants to live in the camper to help out and is
wanting to find another place to live other than home.
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Board Member ECHELMEYER wanted to know how long will he be
at Metro, and Mr. Volzke answered about a years worth of
study left then a semester of student teaching. Classes are
finished for this semester and he plans to be on the
property there full time throughout the summer, along with a
full time job.
Board Member ABBOTT asked Mr. Volzke if he realized the TUP
would be temporary and only for one year, so it would be.
only a temporary fix. It will buy some time but will not
help Mrs. Knowlton over the long haul in maintaining that
property, and does he think that is the solution. Mr.
Volzke replied it is a temporary fix, but they don't really
know how long Max will be able to stay at home. Conditions
and situations change, so if they were to be granted the
variance maybe some stipulations could be put on it. Mr.
Volzke added he_does not foresee himself staying there an
extended amount of time, but for this period of time it is
the right thing to do because it works and it works well.
It is something that provides comfort for Max and Lucile.
He wants to put up some more fencing along the south side.
Part of it was burnt along with the fire, and there was a
• real serious risk of the garage and house going up. There
is a lot of fear and eminent threat with the type of people
that are currently in the Camelot Apartments.
No further questions were asked of Mr. Volzke.
Ms. Knowlton spoke again saying that Mr. Volzke also has a
truck with a snow plow and plows the whole road for her and
there have been times that the whole driveway was snowed in.
She added this situation would be temporary as she does not
know how long, but wants to take care of her husband at
least another year. She does not have a car of her own and
without transportation it is a bad situation to be up
against.
Board Member ABBOTT asked staff if the camper meets setbacks
now and if so, why is that in the conditions of the staff
report. Ms. Ellis answered it is okay where it is at now if
it is not moved closer to one of the property lines.
Board Member ABBOTT questioned the condition that any
temporary power source be inspected by the building and fire
departments, because he believes they will not be able to do
that. The uniform building, electrical and fire codes are
all going to require, for a period of one year, requires a
. permanent electric power line brought in and he does not see
any way the codes would allow inspectors to approve an
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extension cord. Ms. E11is answered that is always a
possibility or they might approve nothing at all.
She does not know if that is possible through the winter
months even though the applicant says it is self-contained
supposedly with a generator and fuel.
Mr. Doren Volzke spoke saying he would be willing to meet
any kind of zoning requirements. A lot of times there can
be a pole put in with electrical source and have it hooked
up. He would not mind having that done if necessary and
have Public Service check it out. He has no generator as
far as heating is concerned, there is a furnace that uses
propane. He does not anticipate that making any noise or
being afire hazard. He stated they never asked for an
extension cord. He can see some concern with an electrical
cord and he is willing to have a certified electrician hook
up the pole directly with Public Service and it would be
probably better then because his utilities would not be
connected with the applicant's. Board Member ABBOTT said he
does think Mr. Volzke needs electricity as the space heaters
inside of a closed space are a danger, not so much of afire
hazard as they are likely to kill the occupant. Mr. Volzke
• said he will take the trailer in to the RV place on W. 44th
Avenue and have it looked at.
No further questions were asked.
Motion was made by Board Member ABBOTT, that Case No. TUP-
96-3, an application by Lucile Knowlton, be APPROVED for the
following reasons:
1. The applicant's husband has Alzheimer's Disease and the
couple is unable to maintain this large property without
on site assistance.
2. The citizen who will occupy the trailer is also the
owner and is native of the Wheat Ridge area and is not a
transient. He has indicated that he understands that
this is a temporary solution and does not intend to stay
forever. He and the applicant feel this temporary
solution is acceptable as opposed to the alternatives.
WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS:
1. The camping trailer meets agricultural-One setback
requirements.
2. Any power source is approved by the building and fire
departments.
• 3. There will be provisions made for proper sanitary
facilities.
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4. The camping trailer will be used by Doren Volzke only.
5. She Temporary Use Permit will be for one year only.
Motion was seconded by Board Member SANG.
Mr. Gidley suggested that the board direct staff as to your
desire for any enforcement proceedings. Normally in cases
like this, enforcement would be through municipal court. An
alternative would be to bring the matter back to the board
for re-hearing and possible revocation. He said if you have
preference for that approach state that in the motion,
otherwise (on the record) should any violations occur on the
property regarding this matter, then it would be through
municipal court. He said that would be violations only as
it relates to the issues at hand; which is the temporary use
of the trailer.
Mr. Gidley said it is a situation where we go directly to
municipal court, the court will be enforcing the conditions.
If the violation was brought back to the board, it would
delay prosecution by a month or month and a half.
Board Member ABBOTT added the following condition and Board
Member SANG agreed.
6. Violations will be brought back to municipal court.
Motion for approval failed by a vote of 5-3, with Board
Members ECHELMEYER, HOWARD and MAURO voting no.
The City Attorney, Gerald Dahl, spoke on the city code
stating a super majority is needed for all matters requiring
a decision by the board, even though the Board of Adjustment
rules and regulations state different. He will be
submitting an ordinance to city council that will clarify
that and bring those two code sections in harmony.
Discussion followed. Mr. Dahl suggested doing a motion for
denial.
Board Member ECHELMEYER stated that would throw every vote
that they have in the future into this same type of
situation and also questions the votes we have had
throughout the year. He continued saying a positive motion
was made to grant the variance and a certain number of
people voted for it and a certain number against it, if it
fits into that category why do we have to do the motion over
again on a reverse basis. Mr. Dahl stated all he can say is
that the code section says that "for all matters requiring
decision" you must get 6 out of 8 votes in an act of denial.
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Mr. Dahl added he does feel that is too high a standard for
a denial and that is why he is preparing an amendment to the
code. With respect to actions that have happened in the
past, the rules require that anybody that is going to
challenge any action must take place within 30 days of that
action. Things that have been done throughout history are
not going to fall under that problem. Mr. Dahl feels it
would be worth it to try for a denial motion.
Board Member HOWARD asked why are there meetings then and
explained that they are operating under the rules and
procedures of aboard of adjustment and those procedures
say that with 8 members, all votes must have 6 affirmative
votes to pass if for approval. It does not say if it has 3
negative votes that it is denied. It there are 7 members
present, it has to have 6 affirmative votes, and if 6 it has
to have 5, and if 5 it has to have 4. The only situation
that apparently that is in this 'super majority' is if there
are 8 members present.
Mr. Dahl said 'super majority' may be the wrong choice of
words because the voting chart tells you how many votes you
have to have to make a decision. He realizes in the rules
and procedures it says if they fall short (as this one did)
then the matter is deemed denied. There is a code section
that this kind of mirrors and it doesn't say if you fall
short it is deemed denial, it says 'for all matters
requiring a decision' (positive or negative). The code
section is different than the board's rules and regulations,
and the code section controls.
Board Member HOWARD suggested holding off on any board of
adjustment hearing until that ordinance is changed. Board
Member HOWARD feels that is just spinning wheels and he has
better things to do than spin his wheels. Mr. Dahl said he
has drafted the code section and intends to give it to the
council as soon as possible.
Board Member ECHELMEYER asked how many meetings with council
will that take, and Mr. Dahl said it has to go through the
standard 1st and 2nd readings, but they may be able to draft
this as an emergency ordinance.
Chairman WALKER said it appears that no one wants to make a
motion to deny so therefore, the vote stands as it is and
has been denied because it was not passed with enough votes.
Mr. Dahl agreed the variance was not passed.
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Board Member HOWARD asked if he could be excused for the
rest of the meeting and Chairman WALKER answered yes.
The applicant was informed the request was denied and she
asked the board what did they suggest her to do. Mr. Gidley
replied for her to move the trailer. Mr. Volzke asked if
the camper could remain where it is until the appeal.
Discussion followed.
B. Case No. WA-96-12: An application by C and E Communications
for approval of a 22' height variance to the 32' billboard
height requirement for property zoned Planned Industrial
Development and located at 10501 N. I-70 Frontage Road.
Glen Gidley presented the staff report. All pertinent
documents were entered into record, which Chairman WALKER
accepted.
Gerald Dahl, City Attorney, spoke saying as a preliminary
matter this particular case, as you know, was continued to
this date at the applicant's request. He spoke with the
applicant's attorney this afternoon and it appears there is
• a mis-perception as to whether or not witnesses were
permitted at this hearing. Mr. Dahl said he would like to
discuss it with their attorney as it may affect whether or
not he will ask to continue this case. The disagreement is
this; the applicant's attorney is under the impression that
staff had told him that witnesses were not permitted. After
speaking with staff, he learned they told the attorney that
the Board of Adjustment did not permit cross-examination and
they liked to have witnesses just testify rather than
questions and answers between witnesses and attorneys, but
they did not inform the applicant that they could not bring
any witnesses'. Mr. Dahl continued saying Mr. Melcher
believes he heard it somewhat differently and that witnesses
were not permitted and he relied on that and says he would
have otherwise brought witnesses. The city is ready to go
on this case here tonight and he guessed he would ask Mr.
Melcher if he is willing to say yes he is ready to go. He
has got what witnesses he wants to present and waive what
they believe is not a defect, that staff told him no cross
examinations but not no witnesses. That is not an issue
that he wants to battle out in district court and then have
to come back here for a new hearing. If they cannot get an
agreement on this, then Mr. Dahl will ask for a continuance
on this case.
. Board Member ECHELMEYER questioned Mr. Melcher as to why he
did not bring this up a month ago being he was present
throughout 3-4 other appeals before this group. Some of
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which had witnesses, why did he not bring this up a month
ago. Mr. Melcher answered saying he is ready to go tonight,
and does not want to put this off any longer. The issue
that Mr. Dahl raised is that he had face to face
conversations with Mr. Glen Gidley and Sean McCartney to ask
them the rules and how to proceed. He asked them if he
would be able to have witnesses for cross-examining or what.
Their statements were that he could have individuals come
and make statements, but the Board does not like this to be
treated as a trial. The Board does not want attorneys
running this as a courtroom with people on the stand with
cross-examining by those attorneys. He understood they
could have people come and make statements but not be
allowed to question and answer them. He raised an objection
when Mr. Dahl said he would be calling Mr. Gidley as a
witness and would be asking him questions. Mr. Melcher said
Mr. Gidley could make statements but he did object to Mr.
Dahl as an attorney presenting a witness because he was told
he could not do that. He doesn't believe that could be done
in consistent with due process without allowing the opposing
council to cross-examine.
• Mr. Melcher said to Mr. Dahl that if Mr. Gidley would like
to make a statement then that is fine, but if they would put
him on as a witness like a courtroom, then he would have to
be allowed to cross-examine him and Mr. Melcher was not
ready to and did not expect to because he was told that is
not the way the board is run. He will be happy to have
statements and is ready to go. Mr. Dahl replied he is as
ready to go forward and delighted that they agreed. Mr.
Dahl does not need to put Mr. Gidley on as a question and-
answer witness as he will be giving the staff report and
will cover what is needed. Mr. Dahl added he has exhibits
that will be presented.
Chairman WALKER asked if we question staff can we entertain
questions from anyone else then, and Mr. Dahl replied he
would suggest not to deviate from whatever procedures have
been done in the past.
Glen Gidley presented the staff report. All pertinent
documents were entered into record, which Chairman WALKER
accepted.
Mr. Gidley noted that the request has been changed since the
staff report. The billboard has been lowered to a height of
41 feet, so now the variance request is 9 feet.
• Board Member SANG asked if the sign was lowered voluntarily
by the applicant or did the city request it, and Mr. Gidley
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replied the city requested that it be lowered
limit of 32 feet, and the applicant would have
the billboard was lowered to 41 feet.
Chairman WALKER called for a 5 minute recess.
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to the legal
to answer why
Upon convening, Mr. Gidley entered into record the building
permit file and a copy of a drawing from the same file, for
10501 W. I-70 Frontage Road, labeled Exhibit '. Mr.
Gidley passed the drawing out for the board's review.
Entered into record letters from Brownstein, Hyatt, Farber
and Strickland and GRC Engineering Inc. Mr. Gidley
continued with the staff report.
Mr. Gidley entered into record a copy of the Planned
Industrial Development Regulations, Section 26-25 of the
Code of Laws, labeled Exhibit ', and two letters, one from
the immediate adjacent property owner, Volant and another
from Holly, Albertson and Polk on behalf of Medved Autoplex,
both stating they have withdrawn their objections.
. Board Member ECHELMEYER wanted to know how did they ever
arrive at 41 feet and were there any city employees involved
in this process, and Mr. Gidley answered no city employees
were involved in this process in terms of being there during
the lowering. The applicant did ask if they wanted to lower
the sign, would staff permit that, and staff indicated yes
they would. They did not in any way say to the applicant
that 41 feet would be acceptable. This all happened in one
day and Mr. Gidley believes the 41 feet is because there is
a joint at that point and much easier to unbolt at that
joint.
Board Member ECHELMEYER asked if it was the same contractor
that did the original work, and Mr. Gidley answered he is
not really sure as they have no information on that. Other
than the advanced question, the city had no information that
this was taking place. Mr. Melcher added they called the
city and they gave us permission to lower the sign. They
knew when we were going to do it.
Board Member ABBOTT asked if the answer then to #8, if the
granting of the variance would be detrimental to the public
welfare or injurious to other property would be no, and Mr.
Gidley answered that is correct, based upon the
certification of the engineer. That was staff's primary
concern.
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Board Member ABBOTT wanted to know if in moving the
billboards from the B1 to the B2 district leaves a hole in
the B-1 zone that can be filled again by another sign, and
Mr. Gidley replied that no other billboards can ever be
relocated, the only thing that can happen to the billboard
in the B-1 zone is to be removed. All of them have to be
removed this year and staff will be in contact with all
billboard companies officially to encourage them to
voluntarily remove them over the next few months.
Board Member ABBOTT asked then to hasten this process we
were offering this incentive to move the billboards to the
B-2 district and Mr. Gidley said that is correct.
Board Member MAURO wanted to know how far down would the
next jointed bolt on the billboard pole be, and Mr. Gidley
said he could look at the plans or perhaps the applicant
could answer that easier.
Board Member ECHELMEYER asked if the sign was reduced in
width and Mr. Gidley answered no.
. Board Member ECHELMEYER questioned if staff would normally
accept written comment of the engineering of this sign after
it was constructed without an on-site inspection. Mr.
Gidley commented the city engineer, building inspector and
himself all sat down and discussed this matter. Normally
no, to be honest, but after city engineers reviewed the
concrete specification tickets and saw the type of concrete
and the additives and also the total depth of the pole,
there was a conclusion that even if the concrete was not the
best because of the depth of the pole in the ground, it is
deep enough that even bad concrete would hold this billboard
under windloads. In other words, the sign is over-
engineered for the amount that is sticking above ground.
Board Member ECHELMEYER said the applicants came in for the
permit 2 or 3 days prior to the expiration date of the 31st
of December and did that automatically insure them the right
to go into the B-2 zone. Mr. Gidley answered they had to
make an administrative determination as it relates to that
matter. There is a specific provision on the building
permit that says it is good for 120 days. There has been a
history of issues relating to this billboard at another
location and at this location. There had been legal
concerns relating to the relocation of this billboard.
Staff made an administrative determination and in this case
• tried to cooperate with the billboard company, providing the
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issuance of the permit as long as they actually built it
before the permit expired. It was issued prior to the date
provided by law.
No further questions were asked.
Chris Melcher, attorney with Brownstein, Hyatt, Garber and
Strickland, representing C & E Communications, who is the
owner of the billboard, was sworn in. Mr. Melcher said he
would like to address four issues in what he believes is
causing some confusion. First the question of the billboard
company coming in two days before the deadline and getting
this application. This company has been here working with
the city for 5-6 months or longer prior to that deadline
working with Mr. Gidley to get a permit. Mr. Gidley granted
the permit and then after talking with Mr. Dahl they decided
on technical basis to revoke that permit. Mr. Melcher read
the letter and entered into record as Applicant's Exhibit
'19'. C & E Communications was ready to go quite a bit
before that deadline and all of a sudden the permit was
pulled. So they scrambled to get a new permit and that is
why is came up so close to the deadline.
• Mr. Melcher continued saying as Mr. Gidley pointed out the
City of Wheat Ridge is divided into two zones: B1 and B2,
and has adopted a policy to get the billboards out of B1
into B2 , out of more residential areas into the highway and
industrial areas. C & E has found two billboards that were
in B1, got those billboards (or one, another billboard was
put up by another company) taken down and put up along I-70
and they were going pursuant to the City's preference. That
is why the billboard has ended up where it is right now.
The area is a commercial-industrial area and there is a
frontage road that runs along front of it and another 100
feet or so past that is I-70. This is the area you are
supposed to have billboards in the City of Wheat Ridge
because it will cost the least amount of disturbance to
neighbors and least amount of eyesore.
The issue about safety is a surprise to Mr. Melcher because
C & E took extensive measures to make sure this billboard is
as safe as humanly possible. They had engineer studies done
and he referred to the blueprint which gives engineer
certification and approval for these types of billboards to
be built up to a height of 75 feet or higher. Height above
ground level (RAGE) here goes up to 100 feet, so these
billboards can go up to 100 feet or more. There is nothing
unusual about a billboard being 150' high. There are three
billboards in the city over 50' in height right now and Mr.
Gidley should be looking at their safety issues also.
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Mr. Melcher entered into record, applicant's Exhibit 'S',
from WA-96-i1, the engineer's certified letter. The
engineer relied on the contractor who swore in a statement
as to all the details of the construction. There is a hole
dug down over 17 feet into the ground and the hole was
filled with two full trucks worth of concrete, the billboard
is built way above any required industry standards. Entered
into record Applicant's Exhibit '29', which is a letter from
Mr. Polk to Mr. Gidley and Mr. Eckert stating they agreed
that the issue of the structural integrity would not be
raised at the April 25, 1996 Board of Adjustment hearing,
and that the city would make a statement that C & E had
satisfied all requests with regard to the billboard's
structural integrity. C & E would not need to present any
witnesses or evidence regarding this issue at the hearing.
In reliance on these statements, they have cancelled
arrangements to present expert witnesses at the hearing on
this issue. So they have representations from the City that
they were completely satisfied with structural safety. They
have simply stated they have satisfied all industry building
codes that concerns were raised about. It was a surprise to
him that he is raising that. Mr. Melcher wanted to address
• that because it seemed to be a concern of the Board.
Mr. Melcher entered into record powers of attorney labeled
Exhibit '2' and '15'. Exhibit '15' is simply the power of
attorney to file for this variance from Daniel Dearing and
also stating he is in full support.
The billboard was constructed in February of this year and
constructed quickly because the billboard is located on a
commercial property, an auto body shop, and the owner did
not want cranes and workmen on his property during working
hours obstructing business. The billboard was put up
completely following industry guidelines but without wasting
time. When they constructed the billboard it was intended
to be 50 feet, and it ended up at 53 feet, and the reason is
when they looked at the property, they realized the only
location of this billboard was at the far western edge. If
they put it up on the western edge and lowered it 32 feet,
it would block the Volant factory and perhaps the High
Country Auto Body sign. C & E communications thought it
would be in everyone's interest if the sign were higher and
did not obstruct the Volant sign or factory. They knew
Volant had come to I-70 for the purpose of a lot of
visibility. The property owner, Dan Dearing, had no
objection and was happier to see the sign higher because it
• caused less interference with his property. Mr. Melcher
showed slides. When the sign was at that height, traffic
going east & west could see both the billboard and the
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Page 16
Volant factory and sign very clearly. After they built the
sign the city notified them that the sign was too high and
objected. Volant objected to that height also and C & E was
surprised as they believed Volant would be happier with the
additional height. They were also surprised that the city
objected because there are also 3-4 other billboards in the
city over the 32' height.
The city then put in a stop work order so C & E filed for a
variance. The week staff was preparing the staff report, we
told them we had a survey and with certifications from the
engineer and told them full well what the certifications
would say about the safety of the sign. We met with Mr.
Dahl, Mr. Eckert and Mr. Gidley in March and wanted to know
what to do to satisfy that the sign is safe. They said to
have the engineers sign a certified sworn statement that the
sign is safe, and they would that. They were surprised that
the staff report came out with the answers it did on #8 and
#9. Mr. Gidley has now withdrawn that as there is no
concern about the safety. They realized then that people
were very concerned about the height and not looking
favorably upon the sign so we thought they should work out
some sort of solution where everyone could win. That is why
they went forward with the setback hearing but asked for a
postponement of the height variance. We were wanting to
work out a solution and see if there was some middle ground
to satisfy the city, neighbors, and other property owners. .
They spent a great deal of time talking to the two property
owners that objected the strongest, Medved and Volant. They
understood from them that they would like some middle ground
on the height, so that is what they did and that middle
ground is 41 feet. There still is some visual clutter but
much less that it would otherwise be. The reasons for that
is Volant will still get their visibility they want and it
will be more in conformance with the neighborhood. Since
there was a stop work order, they asked the city for
permission to lower the sign and went out and lowered it.
The sign was lifted off of the pole and the pole was taken
down and cut of a 12-13' section in the middle. The pole
was then welded and the sign placed back on top. That was
done and they talked to both Medved and Volant, and it
satisfied the majority of their concerns about this
billboard. They believed, based on their good faith, by
voluntarily going out and lowering that sign, trying to work
out some middle solution, that Volant and Medved could
support their application.
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Mr. Melcher read and entered into record Applicant Exhibits
'16' and '17', letters from Volant and Medved stating their
support of the setback and of the height variance to 41
feet.
Mr. Melcher entered into record Applicants Exhibit '18', a
letter from Joe Asmuth, a professional surveyor who
certified the heights of a number of signs. He also
displayed photos on a poster board showing the same
billboards all being higher than 32 feet.
Entered into record, Applicant's Exhibit '5', the actual
application for a building permit submitted by U.S. Outdoor
Systems for the billboard at 12351 W. 44th Avenue. This
shows that the billboard intended to be 50 feet high, and
was approved by John Eckert. When they were told the
billboard was too high, U.S. Outdoor Systems applied for a
variance for 60 feet and was denied by the board. They came
back a few months later and asked the Board for a variance
of 41 feet. The Board heard testimony and decided to grant
the variance at 41 feet, despite staff's objections. C & E
Communications would like the same granted.
Mr. Melcher went through the nine criteria. The billboard
at 32 feet high will harm the neighbors and billboard. It
will make it very hard to make a reasonable return in income
unless the billboard is granted at 41 feet.
The plight of the owner is due to unique circumstances
because the only place this billboard can be located is at
the far western edge of the property, next to the Volant
property. If the billboard is forced to be lowered, it will
hurt Volant and Dearing properties.
The billboard will not alter the essential character of the
locality. Mr. Melcher entered into record, Exhibits '12',
'13', and '14' and Case Nos. WA-96-13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18
and 19. A couple other billboard companies have submitted
applications for variances along this road. He feels these
are sham applications, there are four billboards along that
road and they are all grandfathered billboards. If they
came in and tried to replace those billboards, Colorado
Department of Transportation would not authorize their
permits because they no longer comply with the state code.
They are in here to frighten the board and to suggest to the
board that if they open this up they will have a number of
other variance applications.
• Gerald Dahl questioned a procedure stating the offered
exhibits; the new files have not yet been heard by this
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Page 18
board and yet they are being entered into record. They have
not been published or posted and they may well be if they
move forward. The applicants in those cases have the
absolute right and expectation that their case will be heard
on the merits by this board at the time after published and
posted. He believes it is inappropriate and unacceptable
for those files to be introduced into the record. These are
files and cases that haven't yet been heard by this board
and shouldn't be heard by this board in any way including
submission of exhibits to this case.
Mr. Melcher said he would agree with Mr. Dahl 100 percent,
it was really unacceptable and inexcusable for that to be
raised, and that is why he objected to Mr. Gidley raising it
in the staff report.
Mr. Dahl added those billboard owners go un-named.......Mr.
Melcher said please let him finish. Mr. Dahl said what Mr.
Melcher suggesting is they be named in this proceeding.
Mr. Melcher said he is not suggesting anything. Chairman
WALKER said they do not want to set a precedent and if they
• start naming names then they are getting-into another facet
of the case, and noted to not accept those names at this
time.
Mr. Melcher said he would withdraw the request to enter
those case files into the record, he simply asked that the
board ignore Mr. Gidley's rasing this issue and putting it
in front of you. He did not raise this, Mr. Gidley did, and
he is forced to respond. It is inappropriate, and it is
frankly an effort by other businesses to harm us.
Mr. Dahl added they are even since Mr. Gidley mentioned un-
named people who may make applications, and Mr. Melcher
mentioned a number of cases by number but has agreed not to
introduce them into the record. He has gotten the benefit
of the countervailing argument that there are other cases
out there. Leave it at that and not introduce names and
other cases that have not been filed as evidence in this
case.
Mr. Melcher objected saying he will not enter them into the
record but will state it should have never been put on
record but he was forced to respond.
Mr. Melcher continued saying this hardship and difficulty is
• because of the location of the factory next door and the
other signs. They would suggest there would be no hardship
if the variance were granted. Prior statements regarding
• WHEAT RIDGE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
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the safety of the sign have been withdrawn and trust that is
now the staff report with no safety issues, no detriment to
the public welfare, no impairment of adequate supply of
light and air. With all due respect the board has ample
evidence to decide with these unique circumstances that
there is good reason to grant this variance.
Board Member ECHELMEYER asked when was the sign lowered, and
Mr. Melcher replied it was lowered May 18th.
•
Board Member ECHELMEYER commented that the applicant waited
till the 23rd to prepare letters to Mr. Gidley and everybody
else concerning the lowering of the sign. What did Mr.
Melcher mean when he said they represent Medved Autoplex and
Mr. Melcher said there was a mistake, that letter to Mr.
Gidley was from Mr. Polk, Mr. Medved's attorney. Volant
wrote their own letter to Mr. Gidley also. Mr. Melcher had
nothing to do with the letter being prepared as late as it
was, they have been trying to work this out for the last 3
weeks. They have made efforts the day after the last
hearing to contact Mr. Polk and the other property owners,
and it has taken us this long to get something worked out.
Board Member ECHELMEYER commented in reality the applicant
struck a deal with two firms up the street, they did not
consult Mr. Gidley or anyone else in the city's
administration as to what height their other two compatriots
agreed to, so how can he possibly justify that kind of
action. Mr. Melcher answered Mr. Medved and Mr. Kashiwa
would be upset to think that they are my compatriots. They
are independent businessmen who have had long established
ties in this community and employ a number of individuals,
pay property taxes--he has no control over them.
Board Member ECHELMEYER added that the applicant agreed to
41 foot because they agreed to a 41 foot and did not come
back to the city and ask would we agree to a 41 foot. Mr.
Melcher said they informed Mr. Gidley that they were trying
to work out a solution for all property owners on that road
and Mr. Gidley said he has no authority to suggest any
height other than 32 feet which is the code. He said to do
what we think is best and so we talked to everyone that had
an interest and did the best they could.
•
Board Member ABBOTT said there is a benefit side to the
lessee and the owner of the sign and possibly to the
neighboring businesses and they have to look at. What is
the benefit to the over-height sign to the people in general
that the sign code was written for. Mr. Melcher said the
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City of Wheat Ridge prefers these signs to be located along
I-70 corridor, if there are going to be signs, let's move
them closer to a highway and an industrial area so there is
very little harm to the residents out in the outlying areas
in the City of Wheat Ridge. With the over-height all
businesses will benefit by increased sales, employ more
people, pay more taxes, provide better benefits to the city
which they live (they have been here as corporate citizens}.
This will improve the economy of Wheat Ridge. Lowering the
sign will harm all of these businesses for no real important
reasons that isn't already satisfied by moving this
billboard out to I-70 and the B-2 district.
Chairman WALKER asked if Dennis Polk was in the audience,
and Mr. Melcher said no, Dennis Polk and Chaffee both
requested for him to sign their name to speak in the event
they were able to make it, they would be listed there to
speak, but they are not here tonight.
Mr. Gidley stated that Mr. Chaffee did call him at
approximately 5:00 p.m. and indicated he was faxing the
letter you received and that behalf of the law firm he
• represents were in favor of the variances and they have
withdrawn their opposition. Mr. Melcher said both Mr. Polk
and Mr. Chaffee had prior commitments.
Board Member SANG asked when was the original permit first
taken out, and Mr. Melcher answered he does not have that
exact date because that was before he was involved. The
permit was revoked September 13, 1996. Mr. Gidley said the
original permit was pulled on February 1, 1995.
Board Member SANG said if the permit was taken out February
1st and revoked on September 9th, it was already past the
120 days that the permit is good for. Mr. Gidley answered
yes, that is one of the reasons it was revoked because it
was past the 120 days; one of the reasons, there were
several.
Board Member SANG said the signs they were shown were not in
compliance, are those signs in non-compliance. Mr. Gidley
answered to his knowledge three of the billboards have
variances, and he is not sure about the other two as they
predate his employment here or at least his memory. Board
Member SANG stated some of those could then be grandfathered
under the old sign code and Mr. Gidley said it is possible
that they predate the 1976 Sign Code. Mr. Melcher said four
of those billboards were erected well after 1976, so none of
• them are grandfathered. Mr. Gidley said he will not argue
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• Miiv~~ES OF MEETING: May 23, 1996 Page 21
because he does not know any better and is not for sure if
Mr. Melcher knows any better.
Mr. Gidley pointed out that the elevation of the interstate
is different than the elevation of the base of all these
billboards. There were variances for at least three of
these with unique circumstances, each location is different
and each location is valuated based upon its own conditions.
Relative to this billboard, the topography is different than
the topography that relates to the five billboards. Mr.
Melcher added in the staff report for one of the billboards,
it states there is no unique circumstances or physical
surroundings. He believes these are correct decision
because there are good reasons for these to be over-height,
they are near highways, they are not in residential
neighborhoods. The C & E Communications billboard also has
good reasons why it should be over-height.
•
•
Board Member ABBOTT said there is no question in his mind
that the others have to do with visibility down the highway,
but he is orbiting around a totally different argument and
that has to do with the visible impairment of one business
sign versus another business sign. Clearly the Volant sign
tends to blend in to the billboard. The argument to that is
that this is just the competition for signage and if there
is blockage that is just the way it is because in theory
they are all limited to the height restriction. Mr. Gidley
said generally yes, that is a general principal in sign
regulations. Tn this instance, Mr. Gidley is not convinced
the competition exists, at Least to the extent the applicant
would like to believe. Mr. Gidley presented the slides one
more time. Board Member ABBOTT said it is a kind of a
question of angles, and Mr. Gidley said one would have to
get behind this sign to block the Volant sign (from Miller
to the north). Any angle when you are on I-70 or the
frontage road would not be blocking the Volant or the
autobody sign; it is physically impossible unless you are
further north.
Mr. Melcher feels that depending on the angle and what
direction being traveled, the signs compete for each other
and do block each other. When you have two signs competing
with each other, they wash, and a person gets confused
because they only see the sign for a few seconds and it is
such a muddle that neither sign gets any benefit, they both
lose. That is why Mr. Kashiwa and everyone else is very
much in favor of this variance. If you are standing in the
parking lot there is no blockage, but the customers ,are on
I-70 driving 55 mph.
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Chairman WALKER commented this is a passing montage you are
seeing when you're traveling down the highway 55 mph, if
anyone can get a view of it for any moment, you have
accomplished your purpose for getting your advertising out.
Mr. Melcher said he has to respond to this to supplement the
record because there seems to be now an issue. He added the
highway department does studies on these things and a
highway sign has to be read for 2-3 seconds at highway
speeds for there to be any recognition of what's on the
sign. If one is traveling east on I-70, the Volant sign
will travel across that sign for a great portion of that
visibility, and that is where the problem is. Any time the
people look at that all they see is a montage or muddle.
They don't read either sign. This is why Mr. Kashiwa and C
and E Communications is so concerned about it. Studies have
been done by the advertising industry to talk about that.
You can get a quick view for a 10th of a second, but then
you start to get the mix and the wash, and both signs are
harmed. I could stand on I-70 and take a picture every 10
feet to show how that phenomenon occurs, and you could see a
picture where there is no blockage, but the majority of the
• viewing time there is a blockage.
Chairman WALKER if we alI know the overall limit is 32 feet
and you place a 32' sign behind another 32' sign it looks
like it was a bad selection of a sign location and this is
the new sign on the block, and in violation of the City's
code. Mr. Melcher said they are trying to work out a
solution, but is not for sure why that same argument does
not apply to the other signs. These have already had
variances granted, and I submit that this is a valid purpose
for the City of Wheat Ridge, and a good business purpose.
Mr. Melcher said he would ask that Mr. Chester Trubucco who
is an investor and a director of C and E Communications, be
allowed to briefly address the board.
Board Member ECHELMEYER said the survey report indicates it
was established at 'arbitrary points', it didn't say on the
highway, so the surveyor actually could have used any number
of points at which he made his angled measurements to
determine the true height of these signs, and Mr. Melcher
said that is a term of art and does not mean it is any less
certain than any other survey method. The reason he said
arbitrary points is because there is no identified spot on
the highway or ground that says you should stand here to
measure the signs. It is the exact same method the City
• used when measuring sign.
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Mr. Chester Trubucco said he was a outside pseudo-passive
investor until 1994 and now he is the sole investor in C & E
Communications. Mr. Trubucco said he comes from a small
town and this is clearly new grounds for him. His creed has
always been 'ask first for permission' instead of
forgiveness. it wretches him to have to ask for forgiveness
and no one is arguing the fact that they applied for a
permit suggesting 32 feet. He is hearing this himself for
the first time in the last 30 days. He said he invites
anyone to call and verify his reputation; always asking
first when working with property owners. This is not the
way he prefers to address this group, he would prefer to use
all of the same arguments that Mr. Melcher presented, in a
form of asking permission. Mr. Trubucco really feels
strongly that it will harm them to lower the sign to 32 feet
and Mr. Kashiwa would be looking almost directly into the
sign from the corner of his office. The best thing to do is
to move toward compliance, not to continue to fight and that
is the direction he gave Mr. Melcher. They brought it down
to 41 feet as it seems to make the most sense and thought it
was a positive move and not negative. They certainly do not
want to raise more red flags by lowering it. They wanted to
• act in the spirit of fair plan and the spirit of compliance
to do so. He submits that it somewhat blends in with the
community rather nicely, again he believes if they were
asking for permission instead of forgiveness we would be
looking at it a little differently. He has taken over the
business operations for C & E Communications as its full
investor and will be reviewing all future permits, all
engineering reports, etc., to make sure we are in.
compliance. They want to be a good community neighbor and
why he is personally involved with discussion with the
property owners. He represents himself as a small business
owner, this is one of two signs they have. Clearly, Mr.
Carlisle took some liberties, for the right reasons, but did
not go about it the right way. The approach and the process
was dead wrong and it will not happen again. Mr. Trubucco
thanked the board for their time, and stated they believe
the right action is leaving the billboard at 41 feet.
Board Member HOVLAND said he agrees the thing has been
approached all wrong from the very begi^^~~g. There was a
change made over the weekend to lower the sign height, too
late for any of the members to know, we could have driven by
there and made our own decision whether this is better at 41
feet, but it came too late. Once again, it is this whole
procedure trying to pull the rug out from underneath the
. City.
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Mr. Trubucco responded saying he has been involved for the
last 3d days and has been trying to do everything possible
that is the right thing to do, again he don't understand the
protocol in terms of how the proceedings work here. He
assumed that lowering the sign to 41 feet would be the
spirit of moving in the .right direction. They could not get
the contractors out here from Phoenix until this point in
time or actually the Board would have had ample time to look
at it. Their intent was to get it lowered as soon as
possible. Mr. Trubucco has been unable to address any of
the issues until the last 30 days and now he plans to be
very actively involved in a solution. They thought they
were going about this the right way and clearly by lowering
it as soon as possible, and getting to a middle ground with
the other property owners. They did not get an opportunity
to show the board and that is why they brought all of the
pictures tonight. He cannot speak for what the intent was
prior to his involvement, but the last 30 days has been to
work something out.
No further questions were asked of Mr. Trubucco.
• Mr. Dahl spoke again regarding the issue of lowering the
billboard to 41 feet. He feels the picture of how that
evolved has been an accurate one portrayed, but there should
be absolutely no implication that any kind of entitlement or
permission, formal or informal, came from the city. He does
not want it to sound like a subtle 'they worked with the
city on this thing' implication. Mr. Melcher has not stated
such but it was their idea and they did it for whatever
strategic reason they wished to.
He added the permit was pulled in February 1995 and it was
revoked in September 1995, but there should not be an
implication that there was some kind of entitlement arising
from that. There were significant reasons why that permit
was revoked, the least of which because it was not used in
the time required. One reason is because they did not own
the billboard that they were to relocate. Lastly, they did
not have permission from the landowner, Mr. Dearing, at that
time to locate the billboard on that site. The city was
getting phone calls and letters from Mr. Dearing stating
they did not have the right to located on his site. They
have since then worked that out, and they do have the legal
right to put the billboard on that site. The issue is there
shouldn't be an implication that the city held them up on
this earlier permit. The permit got revoked at that time
• because they did not satisfy the requirements to be able to
re-locate and they ran out of time.
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Mr. Dahl continued saying in respect to the engineering
safety issue, Mr. Gidley had to mention it because it was in
the written staff report in front of the board, nothing more
needs to be said on that. Pretty significantly, there are
five other billboards floating around town and all vary
around 50 feet, those were good decisions and the .Board
should make that decision here too. Under the code there is
criteria that has to be met with this property and the
board's whole job here is looking at specific pieces of
property. Every single one comes in with a different set of
facts; you say yes to some and no to others. The reasons
the board make decisions on them individually is whether or
not the applicant in each case satisfies the requirements
under the code, not whether the applicant last time
satisfied the code, and if that was true the board would
only have to do one of these, they can grant other setbacks
because it is pretty much the same as the last one. The
point Mr. Dahl is making is Mr. Melcher has a right to make
that case, but the test of the board's decision will be what
was the evidence in this case and did the applicant satisfy
the requirements of the code in this case.
• Mr. Dahl said with respect to the exhibits C-1 given, one
thing not mentioned at all tonight was the reason why the
sign got built 52 feet to begin with. The story as written
was there was other code provisions (PID, Industrial, Free-
standing) that all had different and higher numbers and they
weren't sure what the real limitation was and so they kind
of guessed and put it in the best place they thought where
everyone would like it. Mr. Gidley nailed down Chapter 26,
Article IV; 32 feet--and that is what applies here.
Exhibits C-2 and C-3 which are both permits which on the
document says 32 feet, and that bears upon the applicant
saying they weren't sure. Exhibits C-6 through C-l0A has to
deal with the argument that this is not really a billboard,
it is a sign. If it is a sign then the 32' does not apply.
The reasons for all of these exhibits is because they are
mostly letters from the engineers and consultants hired by
the applicant. All of the letters say with respect to the
'billboard', and the point is all of the applicant's experts
call this a billboard. So if it is a billboard that means
the 32' requirement applies. If there had been any
realistic question as to what the real height requirement
was, instead of spending the thousands that were spent
building it to 52 feet, someone should have dropped a
quarter and given Mr. Gidley a call and said they were not
quite sure which section applies, and that didn't take
• place. The billboard was intentionally constructed for the.
reasons Mr. Melcher stated, but apparently they now feel 41.
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feet is the best. If the city is in the business of having
applicants come to us and telling us where they built it and
then they lowered it, we should feel grateful to that and
say yes then we do not have much more work to here at the
Board of Adjustment. Mr. Dahl did appreciate the present
owner saying he feels uncomfortable, but he did buy into a
situation that was existing. At the time this permit was
pulled, they could have run all the same fancy projections
at a whole lot less cost to determine whether a 32 foot
compliance billboard in that location would have interfered
with other signs and whether they needed a variance and then
next file an application that they wanted to build a
billboard at 41 feet. That option was very available to
them. On behalf of the city Mr. Dahl asked for denial of
this application for at least failure to comply to
requirements 1,2,4,5,6, and 7 of the code.
Chris Melcher responded saying he would like to designate
the case files for the following cases in their record.
That would be 93-2, 91-29, 88-26, 87-6, 87-2, 84-37, 83-34,
and 82-8, and would like to designate in the record the
remainder of their exhibits here which he can give the court
• reporter afterward. The first thing is they should not be
here asking forgiveness but come here asking permission.
That is the way it should have been done and never dispute
that is the way he and Mr. Trubucco wishes it had been done.
This is not a situation we want to be in, but fortunately
they are here now and trying to figure out the best
solution. The best solution for all property owners and the
City of Wheat Ridge is to try and find an accommodation that
benefits all property owners, and he submitted respectfully
that accommodation is at 41 feet in height. Mr. Melcher
said Mr. Gidley is right that you make the decision on
individual bases and case, however, no case in which you
have granted a variance has satisfied all nine of those
criteria, especially the self-imposed hardship. They are
here because they did not do enough homework and did not
come and ask permission first, even if they do not satisfy
all criteria, this is a good situation for the board to make
an exception to grant the variance application. They did
put in our statement that the applicant understood the City
of Wheat Ridge wanted that billboard at 32 feet. It was
after seeing other properties, the applicant thought it
would be to everyone's benefit to make it higher. They are
not claiming it was unclear, but simply stating there is a
number of different regulations for heights. It is a
situation that merits a win-win situation, and he requests-
. that the board grant that application.
No further questions were asked.
WHEAT RIDGE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
MINUTES OF MEETING: blay 23, 1996 page 27
Motion was made by Board Member ABBOTT, that Case No. WA-96-
12, an application by C and E Communications, be DENIED for
the following reasons:
1. Conceptually, if not literally verbatim, and in
recognition of the applicant's objections, the Board
finds itself in agreement with the interpretation of the
City staff whose language specifically modified in Items
6, 8, and 9 as presented related to the criteria.
2. In recognition of the applicant's arguments related to
visual blocking and merging of the various sign images
proximal to this site were reasonable. They would not
appear to be a situation adequately unique as to vary
the intent and purpose of the ordinance.
3. It is not the intent of the Board in any way to punish
the applicant for the history of this application by
denying this application or ignore possible harm to
adjacent signage, but to interpret the intent and
purpose of the ordinance to the benefit of the general
public.
Motion was seconded by Board Member SANG. Motion for denial
• carries 7-0. Resolution attached.
Mr. Chris Melcher said at this time they would like to
withdraw their setback application-for Case No. WA-96-i1, as
no survey has yet been located and to endeavor to find more
information and re-submit.
4. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING
5. OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
A. Approval of Minutes
Motion was made by Board Member SANG, seconded by Board
Member HOVLAND, that the April 25, 1996 minutes be
approved. Motion carried 5-0 with Board Members JUNKER
and MAURO abstaining.
7. ADJOIIRNMENT
Consensus was to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at
11:33 p.m.
Mary Lod hapla, Sec etary
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